PUSHING THE BORDERS

003 is annoying me. At first glance I thought Wisteria or other giant pea. But the fruit is not hairy like wisteria and shows no torulation to suggest that big seeds are contained. There were clearly a bunch of flowers from which the one pod has devolved. The leaf in the background looks pinnate with smooth edges to the leaf.

Are we in the territory of the Bignoniaceae?

If so the smooth edge to the leaflets suggests Bignonia rather than Tecoma or Campis for example.

So following on in the tradition of the wild guess; is 003 Bignonia capreolata?

Chad.

Chad wrote:003 is annoying me. At first glance I thought Wisteria or other giant pea. But the fruit is not hairy like wisteria and shows no torulation to suggest that big seeds are contained. There were clearly a bunch of flowers from which the one pod has devolved. The leaf in the background looks pinnate with smooth edges to the leaf.

Are we in the territory of the Bignoniaceae?

If so the smooth edge to the leaflets suggests Bignonia rather than Tecoma or Campis for example.

So following on in the tradition of the wild guess; is 003 Bignonia capreolata?

Chad.

You can have 1 out of ten for the family, it is indeed Bignoniaceae but you are on the wrong continent with Bignonia (whose leaves have tendrils coming from them)

Chad wrote:Is it as strongly and sweetly scented as x burkwoodii?

Surprised me this year by being strongly scented where I hadn't registered it before. Unlike x burkwoodii it is slightly later and doesn't get the flowers frosted off in quite the same way (but as you are in the tropics you probably dont have that happen !)

Chad wrote:And that brings us back to 005. From your web site list I can now say if it isn’t latifolia then it must be coriacea.

Does Tom’s introduction key out as that with the Julian Shaw key?

Chad.

To me the leaves both have a distinct look and feel to them, they are noticeably leathery, but I have 5 distinct and different plants of the same species, it is very variable and the forms differ in flower colour and timing, leaf shape as well as cold hardiness, all very confusing - Oh for home DNA test kits!

Well, I'm going to take a wild stab at Pandorea jasminoides for no 3, or possibly Pisum sativum :lol:

001 is a Trachelospermum, but I have no idea how to get down to species level with them.

Chad.

JohnJearrard wrote:Well, I'm going to take a wild stab at Pandorea jasminoides for no 3, or possibly Pisum sativum :lol:

Spot on with Pandorea jasminoides, I don't know Pisum sativum, what does that do?

Chad wrote:001 is a Trachelospermum, but I have no idea how to get down to species level with them.

Chad.

No not Trachelospermum, you are in the right family though

charlie wrote: I don't know Pisum sativum, what does that do?

It gets served with pies.

charlie wrote: No not Trachelospermum, you are in the right family though

That doesn't help much; the Apocynaceae is huge.

Do we get any credit for saying 'Clematis' for 002?

Chad.

ps do you grow any of the Alstonia?

pps. Or Mandevilla - there are only 188 of them to work thorugh if it is and you want us to identify the species!

ppps. I have a report to submit at work on Monday so I'm not going to start on 009!!!